West Coast Baptist College: Typical Deception

https://paulchappell.com/2018/02/05/22-things-you-should-know-about-west-coast-baptist-college/

Let me use Pauly Chappell as a perfect example of someone who acts like he takes a strong stand on the King James Bible, but actually he rejects the King James.

“We are committed to the King James Version of the Bible. We believe that God not only inspired every word of Scripture, but that He has preserved it through the ages (Psalm 12:6–7). We believe the KJV is the preserved Word of God for English-speaking people.”

Let us break down these comments.

-We are committed to the King James Version of the Bible.  

Look at this deceptive wording.  Notice the word “committed”.  That can mean anything and is a key word to identify that someone is trying to deceive you.  If you WANT to believe that fundies like WCBC are Bible Believers, this will be sufficient for you.  But remember, “committed to” is not the same as “believe”.

-We believe that God not only inspired every word of Scripture, but that He has preserved it through the ages (Psalm 12:6–7).

Again, that wording allows them “plausible deniability” so use a modern term.  It allows them to seem strong on the Bible issue, meanwhile they promote the typical Alexandrian attitude towards the Bible.  They know that what they believe is that the Textus Receptus is inspired (no comment on the OT or which version of the TR they believe).  Read the book on the Bible version issue by Oulette that is endorsed by Chappell.  They reject the inspiration of the King James.

-We believe the KJV is the preserved Word of God for English-speaking people.

What is not said? There is nothing about final authority.  What about Bilingual people?  What about where the King James Bible and a Spanish or German Bible contradict?  These are the questions that matter and they are not addressed by WCBC.

This is sadly typical of what I call “lowest common denominator” Christianity.  Chappell makes a million dollars a year taking church building strategies from Rick Warren and repackaging them under the guise of Independent Baptist and King James Only.  They are NOT Bible Believers.  Anyone paying attention to their words should be able to figure that out.

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Quadruple Inspiration

A lot of dumb Fundamentalists get all worked up in a tizzy over what they have decided to call “Double Inspiration”.  Many fundamentalist preachers like to talk about how they believe the King James Bible, but they claim to not believe that it is “inspired” because that would be “Double Inspiration.”  What a true Bible Believer believes is QUADRUPLE inspiration.  I want to make this clear in this blog post today.

If you want to find out the difference between a Bible Believer and a Fundamentalist, ask them if the King James Bible is inspired.  All fundamentalists will back down.  A Bible Believer believes that the King James Bible fulfills II Tim 3:16, “All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:”  He believes that the King James is “given by inspiration”.  Is the King James Bible Scripture?  If yes, then it’s given by inspiration.  If no, then you are not a Bible Believer.  You are just another Fundy.  Case Closed.

The modern Fundy believes the equation look like this:

ORIGINAL WRITINGS = Inspired

KING JAMES BIBLE = Not Inspired

They would argue something along the lines of: No translation can be inspired.  But this will not hold up.  The original manuscripts are filled with inspired translation.  This would include Moses and Pharaoh’s conversations (who would argue that Pharaoh spoke the language of the slaves?) and New Testament Greek quotations of the Old Testament Hebrew.

Modern Funnymentalists believe that only a heretic would believe in Double Inspiration.  They believe the equation would be this:

ORIGINAL WRITINGS =  Single Inspired

KING JAMES BIBLE = Double Inspired

But a good way to shock the Bible rejecting Fundy would be to give the equation as it stands in the Bible.  The equation, with scripture, could be set up like this:

SPOKEN ORIGINAL: Jeremiah 36:4, what came out of Jeremiah’s mouth is the “words of the Lord” see I Peter 1:21

ORIGINAL WRITINGS: Jeremiah 36:4  Baruch wrote down the “words of the Lord”.  These writings are destroyed or lost in Jeremiah 36:23.

SECOND ORIGINAL WRITINGS: Jeremiah 36:23 There is another original.  Notice how these second originals are better than the first.  This fits Psalm 12:6,7.

KING JAMES BIBLE:  A fourth inspiration.

One could  possible fine one or two more inspiration in Jeremiah 51, but four is shocking enough if you are used to thinking that two is too much…

I have not gone into all the ins and outs of the argument here, but I wanted to lay out an example of Quadruple Inspiration.  Needless to say, that if a man rejects so called “double inspiration” then he rejects Christ when he says in Matt 24:35, “Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.”  He believes that the first writings passed away.  Don’t be so foolish to reject “double inspiration” without looking up what the Bible says on the subject.

Why the King James Bible is Better than the Originals

Why the King James Bible is better than the originals

Jer 36 – Originals destroyed, but then God made copy that was better (vs. 32).

  1. It exists. (Ecc 9:4)
    1. Multiple copies. Only one original.
  2. All books together.
    1. No complete Greek Bible until after 200 AD. No Hebrew until 1599 AD.
  3. Universal Language.
    1. No one speak Koine Greek, so you’re at the mercy of lexicons.
  4. Spaces between words, punctuation, lower case.
    1. Originals written in scriptio continua. Ex: oppurtinityisnowhere.
  5. Chapters, Verse, Paragraphs.
    1. Chapters added in 1205 by Stephen Langton
    2. Verses added in OT by Rabbi Nathan Kalonymus in 1440.
    3. Verses added in NT by Robert Estienne (Stephanus) in 1551.
  6. Millions saved reading King James.
  7. Philadelphia church period given credit for having “kept my word” (Rev 3:8)
    1. This period typically dated from 1500-1900.
  8. Premillennial Order.
    1. Ex: 2 Chron (Jew told to go back to land-1917), Ezra (Jews actually return-1940s), Nehemiah (Jew rebuild in the land- 1950 to present), Esther (Gentile bride dumped for Jewish bride- happens at Rapture), Job (type of Tribulation), Psalm (chapter 2- the King comes).

Why God picked English

There must be a final authority. Deut 25:13-16

  • Must be Protestant
    • Spain and France had their chance.
  • Worldwide
    • 1.2 Billion English speakers.
    • 2 Billion by 2030.
    • 50% of European Union, 85% of Israel.
  • Must be connected to a King. (Ecc 8:4)
    • Antichrist has mouth like lion.  Lion connected to England. (Rev 13:2)
  • England connected to absolutes.
    • Time- Greenwich Mean Time.
    • Location – Longitude measured from Prime meridian in Greenwich, UK.
  • Miscellaneous language characteristics.
    • No throaty sounds. Better for street preaching.
    • Etc, etc, etc…

A Critique of George Lujack’s Critique of the King James Only Position

I truly enjoy critiquing other people’s critiques.  I probably enjoy it a little too much.  Gott hilf mir.

Today we will look at a paper by George Lujack.  This man is a New Yorker, who follows Messianic Judaism although he does not go so far as to reject the Apostle Paul.  Given enough time, either he or most of his followers will get there as that is the logical terminus of Hebrew Roots doctrine.

The guy seems like a prolific author and some of his articles are somewhat decent.  However, on many topics he should just keep quite.  Because when he tries to comment, he makes himself look dumb.

For an example of this, we shall look at his article about the King James issue.  It can be found here:

http://www.scripturetruthministries.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/IS-THE-KING-JAMES-BIBLE-THE-PURE-PERFECT-PRESERVED-WORD-OF-GOD-FOR-THE-ENGLISH-SPEAKING-PEOPLE-2.pdf

We shall make our comments in BOLD.

IS THE KING JAMES BIBLE THE PURE – PERFECT – PRESERVED WORD OF GOD FOR THE ENGLISH-SPEAKING PEOPLE?
By George Lujack
Some Christians believe in the inerrancy and infallibility of the King James Bible as the pure -perfect – preserved word of God for the English-speaking people. ME, I DO. This article will discuss the origins of the King James Bible Only doctrine, present irrefutable proofs that the King James Bible is not perfectly translated into English, and will declare the King James Bible Only doctrine to be false.

ORIGIN OF THE ‘KING JAMES VERSION BIBLE ONLY’ DOCTRINE
Many persons since the early 1600’s have proclaimed that the English people must read the King James Version Bible ONLY, being that it is the inspired, perfect, preserved, pure word of God for the English-speaking people, and all other English translations are inaccurate and / or inferior. This doctrinal belief originated from King James himself.  NICE THAT YOU DIDN’T TRY THE USUAL ROUTE WHERE CRITICS CLAIM THAT DOCTOR RUCKMAN OR 7TH DAY ADVENTISTS INVENTED IT.  I WOULD TEND TO AGREE WITH HIM HERE.  Bishops of the Church of England, under orders of King James, exercising ‘ecclesiastical authority and jurisdiction’ wrote many articles and promoted the distribution and placement of the Authorized Version of the King James Bible in the English churches and elsewhere. It was King James, through the Church of England, who first introduced the concept that the King James Bible translators were inspired by God and that only the Authorized Version King James Bible was inerrant and infallible [1]. I GUESS THE QUESTION WOULD BE: CAN THEY PROVE IT THEN?

KING JAMES BIBLE TRANSLATORS WERE COMMISSIONED BY KING JAMES, THEY
WERE NOT INSPIRED TRANSLATORS OF GOD
2 TIMOTHY 3:16: All Scripture is given by inspiration of God…IT WOULD BE INTERESTING IF HE GAVE THE WHOLE CONTEXT HERE…
The Scriptures, given to us in their original Hebrew and Greek languages, are the inspired word of God. CHAPTER AND VERSE?  I THINK THEY ARE INSPIRED, THE QUESTION IS: WAS ANYTHING ELSE GIVEN BY INSPIRATION? The King James Bible is not the original written Scriptures TRUE and was not given to us by the inspiration of God, NOT PROVEN but is a translation of His given inspired word to the English language TRANSLATIONS CAN BE INSPIRED.  LOOK AT ALL THE OT QUOTES IN THE NT. God directly inspired the prophets and apostles to write the Scriptures. King James commissioned translators to translate the Scriptures into English. OK, SO THEY DIDN’T KNOW THEY WERE INSPIRED, NEITHER DID PAUL I COR 7:12
THE KING JAMES BIBLE IS WRITTEN IN OLD ARCHAIC ENGLISH
There are many Christian ministers who believe that archaic old English is a more godly language than modern English. THAT IS A MATTER OF OPINION.  THEY ARE ENTITLED TO IT.  They like to appear more holy when preaching in the pulpits in old English, ASSUMPTION saying King James phrases such as, “Thus saith the Lord,” instead of “Thus says the Lord,” or “Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name,” instead of “Our Father who is in heaven, Holy is Your name.” OR MAYBE THEY THINK IT IS MORE ACCURATE.  IT’S BETTER THAN PEOPLE WHO THINK THEY ARE HOLY BECAUSE THEY ARE PARSING A GREEK NOUN…Old English is not a holy language, nor is it any holier than modern English. I WOULD HAVE TO DISAGREE THERE ALTHOUGH WE COULD NEVER PROVE IT ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.  MODERN ENGLISH IS DEGRADED AND FEW WOULD ARGUE THAT POINT… To believe that old English is the language of God, NOT SURE ANYONE CLAIMS THAT JUST LIKE FEW WOULD CLAIM THAT GREEK IS THE LANGUAGE OF GOD, ALTHOUGH HE DID USE GREEK NONETHELESS  one is basically worshiping the old English language as being of God. THAT IS FAULTY LOGIC, BRO.  NO ONE WORSHIPS A LANGUAGE.  STRAWMAN. God first communicated to Adam in the Garden of Eden, in the language He gave Adam at that time, then later on to Moses in Hebraic. WHAT ABOUT ARAMAIC AND GREEK?  LEFT OUT SOME INFO DIDN’T YOU? The Scriptures do not record God ever communicating with man in any form of English. THIS PROVES NOTHING.  King James Bible Only ministers communicate to their congregations in the confusing old English language in a similar manner that Catholic priests do when conducting their Catholic mass while speaking in Latin. THIS IS THE MOST ABSURD SENTENCE IN THE ARTICLE.  FIRST OFF, KING JAMES ENGLISH IS NOT OLD ENGLISH, TO CLAIM OTHERWISE IS TO MAKE YOURSELF LOOK STUPID.  LOOK UP AN EXAMPLE OF OE ON THE INTERNET AND YOU WILL SEE THAT NOT ONLY IS IT HARDER TO UNDERSTAND, IT IS ANOTHER LANGUAGE ALTOGETHER.  KING JAMES ENGLISH IS OLD FASHIONED IN AMERICA, BUT THAT DOES NOT MEAN IT IS ANOTHER LANGUAGE LIKE LATIN.  POOR LUJACK IS WAY OFF BASE HERE.  The Catholic congregations are confused, and have no idea of what their priest is saying, because their priest is speaking in a language that they cannot understand.  PEOPLE KNOW WHAT I AM SAYING THE PULPIT AT ALL TIMES.  Many Catholics are deceived into believing that Latin is a holy mysterious language that their priest is using to communicate with God. Likewise, King James Bible Only preachers use an old form of English that modern English-speaking persons have difficulty understanding NOW HE IS BACKTRACKING, confusing and deceiving them into believing that old English is the holy language of God. THE KING JAMES BIBLE DOES NOT USE OLD ENGLISH.  FACT.

WORSHIPING THE KING OF KINGS OR THE KING JAMES BIBLE?
PSALM 12:6-7 (KJV):
The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever.
King James Bible Only advocates often cite and misapply Psalm 12:6-7 to uphold their doctrine that God preserved His word perfectly in the King James Bible for the English-speaking people. The words of YHWH (the Lord) WHO IS YHWH?  HE IS A PAGAN GOD AND A 19TH AND 20TH CENTURY INVENTION.  ASK THE JEWS WHAT HIS NAME IS, THEY WILL TELL YOU JEHOVAH, JUST LIKE THE KING JAMES.  were preserved in their original Hebrew [2] and Greek [3] language, THE TEXT DOESN’T SAY THAT EITHER. from the generation in which they were written, and they will be preserved forever. NOW WE HAVE A DIFFERENT ISSUE.  IF THE SCRIPTURES ARE PRESERVED IN THE GREEK AND HEBREW, THEN WHICH ONE?  LUJACK NEVER SAYS WHICH MANUSCRIPTS ARE INSPIRED, THEY DISAGREE WITH EACH OTHER IN TENS OF THOUSANDS OF PLACES.  The Scriptures have been kept, copied exactly word-for-word throughout the generations, in the Hebrew and Greek languages that they were written in, have been preserved to this day, and they will be preserved forever. POINT TO IT THEN.  HE NEVER DOES.  These verses do not in any way indicate that the words of YHWH (the Lord) were to be preserved in English, in the King James Bible only. IF LUJACK WERE TO STUDY THE ISSUE, HE WOULD SEE THAT IT POINTS TO THE KING JAMES WHEN THE TEXT SAYS, “PURIFIED SEVEN TIMES”  THERE ARE NO SEVEN PURIFICATIONS IF ONLY THE GREEK AND HEBREW ARE INSPIRED.  The King James English Bible was completed in 1611. The King James is a translation of God’s pure words. God’s actual pure words were preserved from the generation in which they were written, not since 1611. THE ISSUE IS NOT “GENERATION” IT IS “FOR EVER”  Scripture does not declare that God commanded King James of England to translate His Scriptures or that His word was to be preserved perfectly in English by God inspired translators commissioned by King James.  IT ALSO DOESN’T SAY THERE SHOULD ONLY BE 66 BOOKS IN THE BIBLE.  The King James Version is not a perfect English translation of the Scriptures, nor is there any perfect English translation. Many terms or words used in the original Scriptures are currently unknown, yet they are part of the original Scriptures. PROVE THAT THE KING JAMES TRANSLATORS DIDN’T KNOW THOSE WORDS… HE CAN’T.  Translators therefore cannot translate words that they do not know, and have often best guessed at translating them in times past. Many modern English speaking people who use a King James Bible also need to use an early modern English dictionary to understand their KJ Bible when casually reading it. NOW THE KING JAMES ISN’T OLD ENGLISH, IT IS EARLY MODERN ENGLISH.  BIG DIFFERENCE.  ALSO, THERE ARE ARCHAIC WORDS IN ANY LARGE BOOK INCLUDING THE MORNING NEWSPAPER, DOES THAT MEAN WE SHOULD DUMP THE NEWSPAPER?  The King James Bible is hardly a perfect English translation for modern day English speaking persons.  OPINION.  HE IS ARGUING FROM EMOTION WITHOUT ANY FACTS.  Although there are numerous minor errors in the King James Bible, there are no errors that are so major as to throw believers off course from God, THERE ARE IN THE MODERN VERSIONS THAT HE PROMOTES.  or cause people to lose their salvation, THERE IS A GOOD EXAMPLE, HE THINKS A CHRISTIAN CAN LOSE HIS SALVATION.  but to proclaim that the King James Bible is a 100% pure perfect word-for-word inerrant English translation is a misguided belief and false doctrine. SO DO I LOSE MY SALVATION FOR PREACHING A HERESY?  The King James Bible is a good translation, but not a perfect one.
NO FOUNDATIONAL BASIS FOR CLAIMING THE KING JAMES VERSION PERFECT
The King James Bible was not the first bible published in English. The Geneva Bible was first published in 1560. WYCLIFFE PUBLISHED FIRST.  THEN TYNDALE… HAS HE EVEN LOOKED AT THE INFORMATION?  The King James was later released in 1611. The Geneva Bible was the first bible taken to America and was used by the Pilgrims and Puritans. IT WAS TAKEN FIRST, BUT IT WAS NEVER USED AS MUCH AS THE KJB.  Where in Scripture is it written that the King James Bible is the official God-preserved bible for the English-speaking people? UNNECESSARY BURDEN OF TRUTH.  IT IS A BIBLICAL DOCTRINE, PUTTING MUCH INFORMATION TOGETHER, MUCH LIKE THE TRINITY, WHICH LUJACK ALSO REJECTS NOT SURPRISINGLY On what basis, other than the authority of King James, do King James Bible Only advocates proclaim that only the Authorized King James Version Bible is the pure, perfect, and preserved word of God for the English-speaking people? IF YOU DON’T KNOW THE CLAIMS, WHY DON’T YOU RESEARCH IT BEFORE YOU WRITE AN ARTICLE?  ON THE FLIP SIDE, ON WHAT BASIS DOES LUJACK PROCLAIM THAT ONLY THE ORIGINAL GREEK AND HEBREW WRITINGS ARE PURE, PERFECT, AND PRESERVED?  Why the King James and not the Geneva or some other English bible translation?  IF YOU DON’T KNOW, READ VANCE’S BOOK AGAIN AND OTHER LIKE HIM.  

THE KING JAMES BIBLE HAS LEAPING BEETLES AND UNICORNS
LEVITICUS 11:21-22 (KJV):
Yet these may ye eat of every flying creeping thing that goeth upon all four, which have legs above their feet, to leap withal upon the earth; Even these of them ye may eat; the locust after his kind, and the bald locust after his kind, and the beetle after his kind, and the grasshopper after his kind.

The ‘beetle’ is a translation error in the King James Bible. No species of beetle has special jointed hind jumping legs to leap upon the Earth. IT DIDN’T SAY THAT, IT SAID “LEAP” Beetles are not the same kind of insects that locusts, bald locusts, and grasshoppers are. STILL INSECTS King James Bible Only defenders sometimes cite the click beetle to explain the beetle error translation. It is estimated that there are about 450,000 different types of beetles in the world. Out of all of those beetles, there are a few that can leap. The click beetle, if inverted on its back, can propel itself without using its legs to return to its feet. The click beetle uses elastic energy in its body and releases it abruptly to launch itself in the air [4]. IT SEEMS LIKE LUJACK ANSWERS HIS OWN QUESTION.  WHAT EXACTLY IS THE PROBLEM?  
The insect, mistranslated ‘beetle’ in the King James Bible, and all the related insects after its kind, are described as having special jointed hind jumping legs to leap upon the Earth.  THE TEXT DOESN’T SAY ALL THAT, IT SAYS “LEAP” Click beetles do not have these type of jumping legs. The King James insect mistranslated ‘beetle’ and ALL beetles after their kind’ do not correctly fit the description of the leaping insects of Leviticus 11:21-22. No species of beetle has special jointed hind jumping legs to leap upon the Earth with. The beetle translation error in the King James Bible was properly corrected to ‘cricket’ in the New King James Bible and is listed as cricket in most other English translated versions of Scripture.

NUMBERS 23:22 (KJV):
God brought them out of Egypt; he hath as it were the strength of an unicorn.*
*Also: Numbers 24:8; Deuteronomy 33:17; Job 39:9-10; Psalm 22:21, 29:6, 92:10; Isaiah 34:7.
King James Bible Only defenders claim that ‘unicorn’ is not a mistranslation. IT IS OBVIOUSLY SOMETHING WE DON’T TALK ABOUT ANYMORE.  They defend the use of the term unicorn by saying that it is not the mythical horned horse-like creature, but it is instead a rhinoceros. UNICORN MEANS “ONE HORNED” THAT FITS THE INDIAN RHINOCEROS PERFECTLY.  The problem with that explanation is that it defies the very thing King James Bible Only defenders proclaim, namely that the King James Bible is the perfect translated word of God for the English-speaking people. IT CAN BE PERFECT AND HAVE A NAME FOR AN ANIMAL THAT WE DON’T USE ANYMORE IN AMERICA.  IT ISN’T WRITTEN ONLY FOR 21ST CENTURY AMERICANS.  IT’S WRITTEN TO THE WORLD.  Ask any English-speaking person what a unicorn is, even back in 1611, and the response would be that it is a mythical horned horse-like creature, not a rhinoceros. MAYBE, BUT IT SURE SEEMS LIKE AN ASSUMPTION. King James Bible Only defenders must translate unicorn to rhino to uphold their doctrine of the inerrancy of the King James Bible, because unicorn is not a proper English term for a rhino. WHY DOES IT HAVE TO BE PROPER?  HE IS REQUIRING SOMETHING THAT IS NOT NECESSARY.  AND IT ISN’T A “TRANSLATION” TO SAY THAT IT IS REFERRING TO A RHINO.  IF YOU THINK THAT, YOU DON’T KNOW WHAT A TRANSLATION IS… The unicorn translation error in the King James Bible is properly translated to an ox or wild ox in the New King James Bible and most other English translations. LUJACK IS GIVING THE MODERN VERSIONS WAY TOO MUCH GRACE, NO ONE KNOWS WHAT THAT ANIMAL IS, INCLUDING LUJACK.  There are many other, mostly minor, translation errors in the King James Bible that are far too numerous to list in this article that have been discovered and listed [5].  SORRY BUT THIS SEEMS LIKE A COP OUT… NAME THEM!
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KING JAMES BIBLE ONLYISM – A CULT-LIKE BELIEF
King James Bible Only advocates share a cult-like misguided faith with the Roman Catholic Church. THAT IS RIDICULOUS, CATHOLICS FOLLOW THE EVER CHANGING WHIMS OF A MAN, WE FOLLOW A BOOK THAT HASN’T CHANGED IN OVER 400 YEARS.  HOW IS THAT THE SAME?  King James Bible Only advocates proclaim that the King James Bible commissioned translators were infallible NOPE, BUT JUST LIKE PAUL AND PETER, THEY WERE FALLIBLE, BUT THEY WERE USED BY GOD TO MAKE AN INFALLIBLE BOOK.  and produced a perfectly translated English version of the Scriptures.  The Catholic Church proclaims that its popes throughout the ages have been, and are, infallible.  Infallibility and perfection are attributes of God. The original Scriptures, inspired by God, are infallible, as only God is infallible. No translation of man, or any pope or clergyman, is infallible or perfect – as all men err. WHAT ABOUT PETER AND MATTHEW AND JAMES?    King James Only advocates sometimes rhetorically ask, “If the King James Version Bible is NOT the perfect translated word of God into English, then what version is?” This is a presumptive question, like asking, “When was the last time you beat your wife?” NO, IF THE TOPIC IS BIBLE VERSIONS, IT IS LEGITIMATE TO ASK WHAT VERSION IS PERFECT.  USE YOUR HEAD LUJACK.  to a man who has never harmed his wife. Catholics, when faced with the errors of Catholic teachings, defend their church by asking the same presumptive type question, “If the Catholic Church is not the one true church, then what church is?”  THIS IS CALLED FALSE EQUIVOCATION.  THESE QUESTIONS ARE DIFFERENT BUT NEITHER ARE HARD TO ANSWER.  There is no true, pure, perfect, preserved English translation of the Holy Scriptures, HE DOESN’T EVEN HAVE A PURE GREEK OR HEBREW TEXT… just as there is no one true apostolic Christian church that the Roman Catholic Church claims to be.  The Jews are God’s chosen people who were given His perfect word. The Tanakh (Old Testament) Scriptures were written in Hebrew WHICH TEXT? MASORETIC OR LENINGRAD TEXT OR THE ALEPPO TEXT?  and the B’rit Hadashah (New Testament) Scriptures books were written in either Greek or Hebrew WHICH ONE?  SINIATICUS, VATICANUS, BYZANTINE?  DOES HE NOT KNOW THERE ARE DIFFERENCES?  , have been copied word-for-word, and have been preserved. NOT WORD FOR WORD. Imperfect translators have translated His perfect preserved word into the English language and other languages. OK?????
King James translators were neither infallible nor perfect. TRUE, LIKE THE APOSTLE JOHN, BUT WHAT THEY PRODUCED WAS INFALLIBLE AND PERFECT.  God did preserve His perfect word, but His perfect word was not perfectly translated to English for the English-speaking people by King James translators. God’s perfect word was also not perfectly translated to the Arabic, Bulgarian, Chinese THIS IS A LANGUAGE FAMILY…, Croatian, Dutch, French, German, Hungarian, Indian, NOT A LANGUAGE Japanese, Korean, Latin, Moldavian, REALLY JUST ROMANIAN, Norwegian, Polish, Russian, Serbian, Spanish, Swedish, Swiss, SWISS IS NOT A LANGUAGE…Turkish, Ukrainian, Vietnamese, Welch, LIKE THE GRAPE JUICE?  HAHAHA. ALSO ALL PEOPLE IN WALES SPEAK ENGLISH. Yemeni,  ALSO CALLED “ARABIC” DUH… Zulu, or to any other written language of the world.

WHAT ENGLISH VERSION BIBLE SHOULD BELIEVERS USE?
The King James Bible is a good, but not perfect translation of the Holy Scriptures. The King James Bible (KJV) should be used in conjunction and cross-referenced with the New King James Bible (NKJV), the Halleluyah Scriptures (HSV), the Tree of Life Scriptures (TLV) and other good versions of Scripture when searching for the truth of God’s word.  PLEASE DON’T TAKE THIS MAN’S ADVICE.  WHEN YOU USE MULTIPLE VERSIONS, YOU MAKE YOURSELF GOD, THAT IS, YOU GET TO CHOOSE WHICH ONE IS RIGHT OR WRONG.  YOU ARE NOT GOD. YOU DON’T GET TO CHOOSE WHAT IS RIGHT OR WRONG.  PRAY AND FIND OUT WHICH VERSION IS GOD’S WORD.  THEN YOU DON’T HAVE TO CHOOSE.  IF YOU’RE HONEST, YOU’LL GET YOURSELF A KING JAMES.

Baruch Spinoza

I’ve been doing some reading on the 17th Century Atheistic (or pantheistic or agnostic…) Jewish-Dutch philosopher Baruch Spinoza.  This man became the first philosopher after the Reformation to openly state the principles of the modern “science” of Biblical Criticism.  Many writers and historians credit Spinoza as the founder of the “science” of Biblical Criticism.  He saw that the only argument against his philosophy were applicable if the Bible was true, so he anticipated the attack, and preemptively attacked first in his book, Theological-Political Treatise.

At first glance, that would seem to give fuel to the fire of antisemitism and that this damnable “science” is an invention of the Jews.  But as is usual with history, we must read between the lines.  If we do, we are able to discern the old Whore of Babylon doing what she has always done: attack the word of God.

Spinoza was educated by former Jesuit, Franciscus van den Enden.  We must note here that “former” is a loose term when connected to the Society of Jesus.  Often times (and time and space do not permit examples here) Jesuits found it convenient to openly throw off the public profession of Jesuitism, only to keep it on behind closed doors.

Interestingly enough, when asked about God, Albert Einstein replied that, “I believe in Spinoza’s God.”  Whatever specifics he may have had in mind, Einstein explicitly states his categorical rejection of the King James Bible.  We are reminded of Proverbs 13:13: “Whoso despiseth the word shall be destroyed.”

Conspiracy Theories

In Bible Believing circles, conspiracy theories are a hot topic.

We all know Christians who have gone off the deep end and moved into the wilderness to “get off the grid” but have done nothing for the Lord in the last 20 years.  Obviously, there is a danger in going overboard on Conspiracy theories.

Nevertheless, there is SOME profit in understanding that our understanding of the last 100 years of history makes more sense when viewed through the lens of what would commonly be referred to as “Conspiracy theories.”

One of the theories that this blog has taken a tough stand against, is the idea that Bible Believers should get involved in politics in order to try and “save ‘Merica”.  Many big shot pastors and evangelists are going around this country and acting like the Bible teaches that we should try and change the direction of this country through sending Bible school graduates to DC to try and make a difference.

If one understands the truth about this country, no one would ever teach that this country CAN be saved.  “The wicked shall be cast into hell and all the nations that forget God.”  The common illustration is a man trying to bail water out of the Titanic.  Evangelists will teach that we should at least try to save the Titanic.  This illustration is faulty because if ‘Merica is the Titanic, it is not in the process of sinking.  It is at the bottom of the Atlantic Ocean.  Who would bail water at that point?  Maybe that’s a bad question because you might be able to find an evangelist that IS that stupid…

The way to prove that this country is sunk is 9/11.  If this country is so crooked that it would purposely stage a terror attack in order to force in the Patriot Act and wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, then that country is not worth any effort trying to save it.

Our nation’s history is riddled with conspiracy theories that turned out to be true:

  1. Kuwaiti girl’s testimony that got us into the first Gulf War.
  2. Watergate.
  3. Gulf of Tonkin incident that got us into the Vietnam War.
  4. MK-ULTRA’s mind control techniques.
  5. The Tuskegee Syphilis Experiment.
  6. The government’s advance knowledge of the sinking of the Lusitania to start WWI.
  7. The government’s advance knowledge of the attack on Pearl Harbor to start WWI.

That is how our government works.  The ship has sunk.

I said all that to introduce the idea that all Bible Believer’s believe in some Conspiracies.  

People will argue all day about the exact definition of a Bible Believer.  But one condition that is almost without debate is that no Bible Believer believes in the Theory of Evolution.  Some proponents of the Skip Theory (no gappers) think that the Gap Fact is a compromise, but even the most extreme believer in the Gap believes that Darwinian Evolution is a fact.

Bible Believers are forced to admit that there is a CONSPIRACY and that all the scientists of the world are working together under the auspices of the Devil in order to teach kids that men descend from monkeys.  This conspiracy’s ultimate goal (or the purveyors of this conspiracy’s goal) is to teach men that all existence is an accident and that nothing exists after death.  There is no soul because souls don’t fit into the evolutionary paradigm.  In their most open dialogue, the high priests of the religion of evolution will teach that since death is as natural as life, then there may come a time when killing men by the millions is as expedient as killing the wolves in Yellowstone or the Tasmanian Tigers.  This will culminate in the religion of the Antichrist and the deaths of so many that the Antichrist will make Hitler, Stalin, and Mao look like little kiddies.

All Bible Believers accept this conspiracy.

Another conspiracy that a Bible Believer holds to, is the conspiracy about modern Bible versions.   How in the world, modern scholars have duped the world into thinking that the Alexandrian-text type that represents less that 5% of available manuscripts represents the God honoured originals can only be labelled as a conspiracy.

Researchers Chris Pinto, David Daniels of Chick Publications, and Steven Avery are beginning to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that Codex Siniaticus (Aleph) is a 19th Century forgery stolen by Tischendorf and lyingly presented as written in the 4th Century.  We now are forced to admit that modern scholarship is as corrupt on Bible manuscripts as it is on Evolution.  To believe contrary to the modern paradigm is to be a conspiracy theorist.  It shouldn’t bother a Bible Believer at all.

So knowing that all Bible Believers believe in some form of Conspiracy Theory, we shouldn’t be so averse to the idea that 9/11 was an inside job and that the devil rules the world through the Pope and the Pope through the Jesuits and the UN all the way down to the great puppets Obama and ole’ Trump.  We shouldn’t reject ideas like Geocentricity out of hand, but we should ask ourselves the only question that really matters, “What saith the Scripture?”

This should make you want to stay out of politics and science and move closer to the Lord Jesus Christ in desiring and praying for his soon return.

 

Erasmus of Rotterdam

http://keystothebible.net/special-studies/1970s-king-james-bible-conference/

 

Here is a link to Bro. Bob Alexander’s website.  Specifically this link points to a series of mp3s that have to do with the topic of the King James Bible Controversy.

 

Obviously, I recommend the audio of Dr. Peter Ruckman.  But I also heartily recommend that you give a listen to the audio by BV Barlett about Erasmus of Rotterdam.

 

I fully believe that, along with the King James Translators, Erasmus is the fulfillment of Matt 23:34:

“Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:”

After listening, I think you will agree.

A Famous Patrick Henry Quote

“It cannot be emphasized too strongly or too often that this great nation was founded not by religionists, but by Christians; not on religions, but on the gospel of Jesus Christ.  For that reason alone, people of other faiths have been afforded freedom of worship here.”
~ Patrick Henry ~             

 

Saw this quote for a God and Country rally at an independent King James only Baptist Church.  Guess what?  Ole’ Patty was wrong.  

 

You can mine quotes from anywhere to prove anything and it means nothing if it is not backed up by facts.  

 

Fact: the legally binding, government endorsed Treaty of Tripoli says in Article 11:

 

“As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion;”

 

Ole’ Patty was wrong again.

 

King James Bible Believers need to get their facts straight and realize that no rally for “God and Country” will amount to anything in the Lord’s eyes.

 

Go to DC and see for yourself.  This country was founded by Masons.

Hitchens KJV-Only?

In case you are wondering who we are talking about, this is unashamed God-hater Christopher Hitchens (who has since gone on to give an account to that God who he hated so much, unfortunately.)

 

When recalling the funeral service of his conservative, British navy veteran father, whom he called “the commander,” he describes how he chose Philippians 4:8 as a reading, hedging that he selected the text “for its non-religious yet high moral character” (p. 45):

Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things arelovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things.

After citing the verse in the KJV, Hitchens adds:

Try looking that up in a “modern” version of the New Testament (Philippians 4:8) and see what a ration of bland doggerel you get.  I shall never understand how the keepers and trustees of the King James Version threw away such a treasure (p. 46).

 

Source: http://www.jeffriddle.net/2016/12/hitchens-on-king-james-version.html

Answers to “70 Questions For King James Only Advocates”

 

These questions are found at the Church of Christ website entitled www.bible.ca.  These people are dangerous heretics that teach the damnable doctrine of Baptismal Regeneration.  There are other teachings espoused on this website that a Bible Believer needs to be wary of.  The following series of questions come from an article on the site called “questions for KJV-only advocates” which is supposedly written by a man named Steve Rudd.  Steve Rudd’s questions are numbered and in bold.  He advocates no other alternative from the King James Only position.  He is too foolish to know the difference between the two separate positions of King James Only and Textus Receptus Only.  The author of these answers writes from the position of King James Only.

Edit: sorry that the typesetting is off.  Copy/Paste never works like it should…

 

  • Which KJV is inspired, since it was revised four times, the last being in 1769.

 

      1. None are “revisions”.  They corrected spelling and grammar issues and none of them contradict.  This is completely unlike the modern versions which contradict hundreds of times.  Answer: all of them.  But not the “New” King James Version.

 

  • What Bible would these KJV worshippers recommend since before 1611 there was no Bible.

 

      1. This is grossly misrepresenting our position.  I don’t worship the King James Bible.  I worship the God who preserved it and gave it by inspiration (II Tim 3:15,16).  Also, there were Bibles before 1611, they just weren’t PURIFIED as the requirements of Psalm 12:6,7 say that God’s words will be. Before I answer, I would like to throw the question back to the writer: “What do you recommend to people AFTER 1611?”  I know he has no answer.  To answer the perverted question, I would have recommended one of the not-yet-purified English and foreign language Bibles.  Tyndale, Matthew, Coverdale, Great, Geneva, and the Bishop’s Bible were part of the purification process.  So were the Hebrew, Greek, Aramaic, Latin (old Itala), Gothic (of Ulfilas), and German (Luther) Bibles.  

 

  • Do they realize that the apostle Paul did not use the KJV.

 

      1. If this is a question, then the answer is Yes. I want to know this, “Does Steve Rudd know that no one THINKS that Paul used the KJV?”

 

  • Why do KJV only advocates reject the apocrypha, since the original 1611 version contained the apocrypha?

 

      1. I reject them for the reasons that the King James translators themselves rejected the apocrypha.  These reasons are public knowledge. They were part of the Bible as a historical note, just like the Dedicatory.  None of the translators believed the Apocrypha to be inspired. I ask, “Does Steve Rudd know that the Greek texts that form the basis of the modern versions both INCLUDE the apocrypha?”  I am referencing Codex Vaticanus and Codex Siniaticus.  

 

  • If the KJV translators were inspire, why did they use a marginal reference to the apocrypha:

 

      1. I don’t see how that disqualifies them.  So they thought that there was a cross reference to the apocrypha.  I have never met anyone who believed that the marginal references were inspired.  Paul referenced heathen poets in Acts 17 and Titus 1.  That does not mean the poets were inspired and it does not mean Paul was NOT inspired.  

 

  • If God always gives the world his word in one language (as KJV advocates say of English), then the KJV is certainly not that language, for God chose Koine GREEK not ENGLISH to reveal his New Covenant!

 

      1. I see no where in scripture where God’s revelation is limited to Koine Greek.  What about the Hebrew and Aramaic of the Old Testament?  There is no question so I cannot answer anything, but I would wonder if Steve Rudd knows that no one speaks Koine Greek today.  So to get a translation of the Greek Bibles, a man has to go back to the Greek of the philosophers and poets (Attic for example).  No one knows how different these two dialects may have been.   

 

  • If God gave us the KJV as an inspired translation, why would God not repeat the process again in modern language in each language?

 

      1. King James believers argue about this question and there are no definite answers in scripture.  Again I ask, “Why do you care, Steve Rudd?  You don’t think any language has inspired scripture.”  The fact is that the King James is inspired Scripture and the final authority.  I suppose the best answer is that, if God inspired scripture in every language there would be multiple Final Authorities and that would be a contradiction of terms.

 

  • If God supervised the translation process so that the KJV is 100% error free, why did God not extend this supervision to the printers?

 

      1. Why would you suppose that he would?  If only the original writings were inspired, did those originals have ANY misspellings or grammar mistakes?  How would you know?  We don’t have originals.  Every Greek text has grammatical errors in it.  These are called anacoluthon. Another questions would be: how far would you take this?  Were there any water marks or smudges on the originals?  The KJV-only position is that the book I have in my hands is given by inspiration of God (II Tim 3:15,16).  Steve Rudd cannot provide a viable alternative.

 

  • Why did the KJV translators use marginal note showing alternate translation possibilities? If the English of the KJV is inspired of God, there would be no alternates!

 

      1. They had no clue that they were writing a book that would be inspired.  Neither did Paul. (I Cor 7:12).  Clearly, you don’t have to know that your writings will be inspired for them to be inspired.  God did not use the marginal notes just as He did not use the apocrypha.  Most modern KJV Bibles do not include either of them.

 

  • If the KJV translators were inspired of God in their work, why did they not know it?

 

      1. Paul did not either(I Cor 7:12).  Steve Rudd cannot prove that ALL the writers of scripture did not know they were inspired.  This is a false requirement.

 

  • Why were all the marginal notes and alternate readings removed from modern editions of the KJV, along with the Apocrypha, the opening Dedication to James I, and a lengthy introduction from “The Translators to the Reader.”?

 

      1. They were not given by inspiration and they can be removed based on what the printer desires.  The Scriptures are given by inspiration.  These additional parts are not.  

 

  • When there is a difference between the KJV English and the TR Greek, why do you believe that the Greek was wrong and the KJV English is correct?

 

      1. They can’t both be right.  That would mean there are 2 final authorities.  God is not the author of confusion. (I Cor 14:33)  Why would you assume that the TR Greek is right and the KJV English is wrong?  Our position is based on fruit. (Matt 7:20)  Over the past 400 years, millions have been won to Christ with the KJV.   Who has been won by the TR Greek in the last 2000 years?  Not half that.  There are other arguments that point to the King James, but the “fruit argument” is quite solid.  

 

  • If the KJV-only supporters believe fully in the word-for-word inspiration of the KJV, why would italics be necessary?

 

      1. Word-for-word inspiration is not the same as word-for-word translation.  The second is impossible.  Steve Rudd knows that the italics were put in by the translators to show that the word was not in their Greek text.  It demonstrates their honesty.  On the reverse, the translators of modern versions add words, but don’t have the honesty to show it by putting the additions in italics.  The King James translators put the words in italics and THEN God inspired their text.

 

  • In defending the KJV’s use of archaic language, do you really think it is a good thing that a person must use an Early Modern English dictionary just to understand the Bible in casual reading?

 

      1. Most days of reading my Bible, I do NOT have to consult a dictionary.  I am not an exception.  The King James takes some getting used to, but the reader quickly sees that 99+% of the time, the definition of the “archaic” words is clear in the context.

 

  • Why do KJV only advocates feel that all modern translations are wrong for copyrighting the work of each translation when they copyright the materials on their websites, tracts and books they use to promote the KJV? Do they not realize that after 100 years all books pass into public domain and that all copyrighted Bibles today will soon be public domain just like the KJV? If “God’s truth should not be copyrighted” then why do they copy write their defenses of God’s ultimate truth, the Bible?

 

      1. Does Steve Rudd not know the difference between the truth and a defense of the truth?  The first is a work of God and the second is a work of man.  Defenses of the truth are copyrighted so the writer can get a wage for his work (Luke 10:7).  The King James Bible is a work of God.  
      2. Of course we know that eventually all modern versions will lose their copyright, but there is something sinister when I have to pay someone to use their material when they claim that they are putting out God’s truth.

 

  • Is it not ridiculous to suggest that when the TR disagrees with the KJV that Greek TR has errors, but the KJV doesn’t? Is this not the ultimate example of “translation worship”? (Reject the original in favour of the translation)

 

      1. It’s not ridiculous.  The TR Greek is a part of the purification process.  By definition, it is not as pure as the finished product.  This is not hard to understand.  Again, I don’t worship the KJV, I worship the God who gave it by inspiration.  To claim otherwise, is a lie.  

 

  • Did you know that the Textus Receptus, from which the KJV was translated, was based on half a dozen small manuscripts, none earlier than the 10th century?

 

      1. Is there any proof of this?  The line of transmission that the TR Greek is a part of, has the backing of literally 1000s of manuscripts.  The changes of the modern versions are based on old manuscripts that have the backing of only a couple of manuscripts.  1000s versus a couple?  I take the 1000s.  Steve Rudd needs to read up on his manuscript evidence.

 

  • If the Textus Receptus is the error free text, then why are the last 6 verses of Revelation absence from the TR, yet present in the KJV? Did you know that for these verses, the Latin Vulgate was translated into Greek which was then translated into English – a translation of a translation of a translation?

 

      1. The TR Greek is not error free.  You gave a good example of why it is not.  Thank you.  The King James Bible has been purified and made better than the TR Greek.  That is the KJV only position.

 

  • Why do KJV only advocates believe that the English of the KJV is clearer and more precise than the original Greek language manuscripts? Why should Bible students throw out their Greek dictionaries and buy an “archaic English” dictionary? Are there not word pictures in the original Greek words that the English cannot easily convey? (Jas 2:19 “tremble”; Greek: PHRISSO, indicates to be rough, to bristle. is a powerful word picture of how the demons are in such terror that their skin is rough with goose pimples. Also differences between “agape” and “phileo” love words.)

 

      1. Greek dictionaries are the work of men.  The writers of these books are NOT inspired.  We can use tremble as an example.  It could mean your definition or it could just mean tremble.  This makes me wonder, “Demons have skin?”  Also, the KJV is the only Bible that makes a good distinction between “phileo” and “agape” in I Cor 13, which all the new versions revert back to “love.”  The KJV translators knew all about the subtle shades of meaning of the Greek words for “love” and translated accordingly.  But Steve Rudd wouldn’t know that, he hasn’t looked into it.  

 

  • Why did the translators make mistakes in the chapter summaries in the 1611 version? Wouldn’t God have inspired this as well? Why would God inspire the English providentially accurate, but then allow misleading chapter headings? (Every chapter of the Song of Songs is interpreted as descriptive of the church. This is wrong. SoS is God’s “mate selection manual.” Also, Isa 22 “He prophesieth Shebna’s deprivation, and Eliakim, prefiguring the kingdom of Christ, his substitution” This is wrong and reflect the incorrect theology of the day.)

 

      1. Steve Rudd needs to ask this question to someone who believes that the chapter headings are inspired.  This questioning of “Why would God…” is unproductive.   The answer is almost always, “Because he just did or didn’t.”  He is also incorrect about the Song of Solomon not being a type of Christ and the Church.  I’d like to see where that doesn’t fit.  

 

  • Why would the translators use book headings like “The Gospel According to Saint Luke” since the Greek merely says “The Gospel According to Luke”. Does not this show that the translators were influenced by their contemporary theology and the Catholic false doctrine of “sainthood”?

 

      1. All Christians are saints.  See the introduction to just about every one of Paul’s epistles.  It is not wrong to call Luke, Saint Luke.  To call Luke, Saint Luke, is to distinguish him from the other men named Luke that have existed throughout church history.  The KJV translators watched their fellow Protestants burnt at the stakes by Catholics.  Few would be dumb enough to think that these men would by influenced by Catholic doctrine.  Apparently, Steve Rudd is dumb enough.  Their doctrine was far from pure, but it was closer to the truth than water dogs like Steve Rudd.

 

  • Do KJV only advocates realize that they stand beside the Mormon church in that both groups believe that they were delivered an “inspired translation”? (Mormon’s believe Joseph Smith’s English translation of the Book of Mormon from the Nephi Plates was done under inspiration.) Do KJV only advocates realize that the most powerful and irrefutable evidence that neither were translated under inspiration, is the very first edition with all their thousands of errors? (KJV- 1611 edition; BoM- 1831 edition)

 

      1. This changes nothing.  Does Steve Rudd know that Muslims believe the same thing as he does about Bible translations?  Both believe there is no inspired translation of the Bible on earth today.  Maybe he does or maybe he doesn’t, but it doesn’t change much.  Also, there are MANY other reasons to not believe the Book of Mormon other than their printing errors.

 

  • Do KJV only advocates realize that, to point out that all modern translations have the same kinds of mistakes we are accusing of the KJV, is irrelevant, because we maintain that all translations have errors and none were translated under the inspired supervision of God?

 

      1. The modern versions do not have the same kind of mistakes.  They are Catholic translations that take away truth from EVERY correct doctrine of the scriptures.  

 

  • Why would the Holy Spirit mis-guide the translators to employ the use of mythical creatures like “unicorn” for wild ox, “satyr” for “wild goat”, “cockatrice” for common viper, when today we know what the real name of these creatures is?

 

      1. Thank you for assuming that you are right as you ask the question.  There is no proof that those creatures are not real creatures.  Again, Steve Rudd does NOT know the “real name of these creatures.”  He assumes he does. Remember Satyr and Cockatrice are devilish animals that zoologists have no access to.  

 

  • If the KJV is error free in the English, then why did they fail to correctly distinguish between “Devil and Demons” (Mt 4:1-DIABOLOS and Jn 13:2-DAIMONIZOMAI) ; “hades and hell” (see Lk 16:23-HADES and Mt 5:22-GEENNA; Note: Hades is distinct from hell because hades is thrown into hell after judgement: Rev 20:14).

 

      1. It is wrong to assume that this is an error.  “To see” and “to visualize” could both be translated by the same word in other languages.  Nevertheless, these distinctions are clear in the English.  The devil is singular.  Devils are plural.  By not translating as “demons”, the King James gives the moral nature of the beings.  In ancient Greek, “demons” could be good or bad.  No one thinks “Devils” are good, except Satanists.  Again, Rev 20 is referring to the “Lake of Fire” not just hell.  They are two distinct places in the KJV.

 

  • Why would KJV translators render Gen 15:6 which is quoted in identical Greek form by Paul in Rom 4:3, 9, 22; Gal 3:6, in FOUR DIFFERENT WAYS? Why are they creating distinctions were (Rudd spelled this wrong) none exist?

 

      1. The context is always different so the translation will always be different.  These are not all quotations of Gen 15:6.  That is a lie.  No one believes that there are 4 different things going on in those verses.  Steve Rudd is creating distinctions “where” none exist.

 

  • Why did the KJV translators have no consistent rule for differentiating between the use of definite and indefinite articles? (Dan 3:25 we have one “like the Son of God” instead of “like a son of God”, even though in 28 Nebuchadnezzar states God sent “His angel” to deliver the men. The definite article was also added to the centurion’s confession in Mt 27:54.)

 

      1. Steve Rudd demonstrates his limited understanding of the Greek and Hebrew languages  in this question.  Greek articles are impossible to have a consistent rule for translating into English.  The Greek NT is filled with, literally rendered, “the Jesus the Christ.”  That would look dumb in English.  So their rule was to go by the context.  Every translation does the same thing.  His example is easily proven to be an error, not in the KJV, but in his understanding of doctrine.  That angel in the fire of Dan 3 was Jesus Christ himself, who is called throughout the Bible, “the Angel of the Lord” (Acts 27:23).  “A” son of God could be lots of different things.

 

  • How can you accept that the Textus Receptus is perfect and error free when Acts 9:6 is found only in the Latin Vulgate but absolutely no Greek manuscript known to man? Further, how come in Rev 22:19 the phrase “book of life” is used in the KJV when absolutely ALL known Greek manuscripts read “tree of life”?

 

      1. The TR is not perfect and error free.  Now Steve Rudd is failing to differentiate between KJV-only and TR-only.  He is demonstrating the purification process of Psalm 12:6,7 that resulted in the King James Bible.

 

  • How can we trust the TR to be 100% error free when the second half of 1 Jn 5:8 are found only in the Latin Vulgate and a Greek manuscript probably written in Oxford about 1520 by a Franciscan friar named Froy (or Roy), who took the disputed words from the Latin Vulgate? (we are not disputing the doctrine of the trinity, just the validity of the last half of this verse)

 

      1. Steve Rudd is either lying or grossly uninformed of manuscript evidence.  Probably, he is both.  He needs to study the gender of the pronouns in the verse and see that they do not work without the masculine pronouns that are omitted.  To omit those words leaves a grammatical error in the text.  Beyond that, the words are found in manuscript 61, 88 and the old Latin and Old Syrian.  It is quoted by Cyprian (250 AD), Clarus and Priscillian (385 AD), Cassiodorus (500 AD), Athanasius (350 AD), and Tertullian (200 AD).

 

  • How do you explain the grammatical error in the original 1611 KJV in Isa 6:2 where the translators made a rare grammatical error by using the incorrect plural form of “seraphims” rather than “seraphim”?

 

      1. This “error” is actually all through the OT.  It is strange that Steve Rudd could only find it once.  Basically, the translators were transliterating the word and then adding the “s” to show people who don’t speak Hebrew, that the word is plural.  This is called, “making it easier to understand”.  It still went over Steve Rudd’s head.

 

  • Must we possess a perfectly flawless bible translation in order to call it “the word of God”?  If so, how do we know “it” is perfect?   If not, why do some “limit” “the word of God” to only ONE “17th Century English” translation?  Where was “the word of God” prior to 1611?  Did our Pilgrim Fathers have “the word of God” when they brought the GENEVA BIBLE translation with them to North America?

 

      1. What is necessary is to find something that God inspired (II Tim 3:16).  He clearly inspired the King James.  There are many reasons why and the main reason is the fruit of the King James (Matt 7:20).  Very few people have gotten saved with other versions and the Geneva has had more than 400 years to bear fruit.  It has not.  The Geneva Bible is part of the purification process for the King James.  Besides, who is Steve Rudd to say that KJV only “limits” the word of God.  He believes that the word of God is ONLY in some lost manuscripts that are in a language no one can read.  Who is really “limiting”?  

 

  • Were the KJV translators “liars” for saying that “the very meanest [poorest] translation” is still “the word of God”?

 

      1. “Liars” implies that it was deliberate.  Those great men did not know what God was going to do with Bible translations.  Men today, who have looked into the issue, have no such excuse.  

 

  • Do you believe that the Hebrew and Greek used for the KJV are “the word of God”?

 

      1. In a general sense, yes.  But are they the exact words of God, no.  Are they given by inspiration, no.  

 

  • Do you believe that the Hebrew and Greek underlying the KJV can “correct” the English?

 

      1. No.

 

  • Do you believe that the English of the KJV “corrects” its own Hebrew and Greek texts from which it was translated?

 

      1. Yes.

 

  • Is ANY translation “inspired”?  Is the KJV an “inspired translation”?

 

      1. Yes.  Everyone who believes in the Bible, in a general sense, believes that.  The NT quotes the OT Hebrew in Greek.  That is a translation.   No one denies that those are “inspired translations” in Greek.  When Moses and Pharaoh spoke to each other in Exodus, did they speak in Hebrew or Egyptian?  Surely they spoke in Egyptian.  But God inspired a translation into Hebrew for the OT.  This is not a radical idea.

 

  • Is the KJV “scripture” ? Is IT “given by inspiration of God”?  [2 Tim. 3:16]

 

      1. Yes

 

  • WHEN was the KJV “given by inspiration of God” – 1611, or any of the KJV major/minor revisions in 1613, 1629, 1638, 1644, 1664, 1701, 1744, 1762, 1769, and the last one in 1850?

 

      1. Every King James Bible ever published was given by inspiration of God at whatever date it was printed. Unless is had the word “New” in front of it.  

 

  • In what language did Jesus Christ [not Peter Ruckman and others] teach that the Old Testament would be preserved forever according to Matthew 5:18?

 

      1. It doesn’t say.  You can imply Hebrew.  But you could also imply English.  It is not clear.

 

  • Where does the Bible teach that God will perfectly preserve His Word in the form of one seventeenth-century English translation?

 

      1. Nowhere.  This whole thing was based on the choices that men have made in history.  England accepted the Bible (in a general sense) and God took the empire around the world.  That is the language that God chose to put his final purification.  Counter question:  Where does it say in the OT that God would choose Greek for the NT?  Nowhere.  But it happened.  Same with the KJV English.

 

  • Did God lose the words of the originals when the “autographs” were destroyed?

 

      1. No.  This question would be better asked to Steve Rudd.  He thinks that they were.  In the purification process, is the silver lost when it is refined?  No, it’s the same with the Bible.

 

  • Did the KJV translators mislead their readers by saying that their New Testament was “translated out of the original Greek”? [title page of KJV N.T.]  Were they “liars” for claiming to have “the original Greek” to translate from?

 

      1. They clearly meant the original Greek language, not the original Greek text.

 

  • Was “the original Greek” lost after 1611?

 

      1. The text of it was probably look around 150 AD.

 

  • Did the great Protestant Reformation (1517-1603) take place without “the word of God”?

 

      1. No.  But they didn’t have the words of God that were purified seven times.  That came in 1611.  

 

  • What copy or translations of “the word of God,” used by the Reformers, was absolutely infallible and inerrant?  [their main Bibles are well-known and copies still exist].

 

      1. None.  They needed to be purified. (Psalm 12:6,7)

 

  • If the KJV is “God’s infallible and preserved word to the English-speaking people,” did the “English-speaking people” have  “the word of God” from 1525-1604?

 

      1. Yes, but it wasn’t purified.  

 

  • Was Tyndale’s [1525], or Coverdale’s [1535], or Matthew’s [1537], or the Great [1539], or the Geneva [1560] . . . English Bible absolutely infallible?

 

      1. No, and I’ve said why many times now.

 

  • If neither the KJV nor any other one version were absolutely inerrant, could a lost sinner still be “born again” by the “incorruptible word of God”? [1 Peter 1:23]

 

      1. I don’t see how this question relates to the issue at hand.  The KJV is absolutely inerrant.  But a man could get saved without the King James Bible in front of him, it happens all the time.  

 

  • If the KJV can “correct” the inspired originals, did the Hebrew and Greek originally “breathed out by God” need correction or improvement?

 

      1. Yes.  That’s what Psalm 12:6,7 says.

 

  • Since most “KJV-Onlyites” believe the KJV is the inerrant and inspired “scripture” [2 Peter 1:20], and 2 Peter 1:21 says that “the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man:  but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost,” would you not therefore reason thus – “For the King James Version came not in 1611 by the will of man:  but holy men of God translated as they were moved by the Holy Ghost”?

 

      1. No, This has nothing to do with the King James Bible, it is a reference to the preaching of the prophets.  Notice that verse says “spake” not wrote.  I believe God helped them write and then inspired what they wrote.  Steve Rudd needs a lesson on logic.

 

  • Which reading is the verbally (word-for-word) inerrant scripture – “whom ye” [Cambridge KJV’s] or, “whom he” [Oxford KJV’s] at Jeremiah 34:16?

 

      1. Both. Matt 23:34

 

  • Which reading is the verbally (word-for-word) inerrant scripture – “sin” [Cambridge KJV’s] or “sins” [Oxford KJV’s] at 2 Chronicles 33:19?

 

      1. Both.  Matt 23:34

 

  • Who publishes the “inerrant KJV”?

 

      1. Lots of people.  I recommend Local Church Bible Publishers.

 

  • Since the revisions of the KJV from 1613-1850 made (in addition to changes in punctuation, capitalization, and spelling) many hundreds of changes in words, word order, possessives, singulars for plurals, articles, pronouns, conjunctions, prepositions, entire phrases, and the addition and deletion of words – would you say the KJV was “verbally inerrant” in 1611, 1629, 1638, 1644, 1664, 1701, 1744, 1762, 1769, or 1850?

 

      1. All those were given by inspiration of God.  If there was a printer’s error, which happens even now, then they changed it.

 

  • Would you contend that God waited until a king named “James” sat on the throne of England before perfectly preserving His Word in English, and would you think well of an “Epistle Dedicatory” that praises this king as “most dread Sovereign . . .Your Majesty’s Royal Person . . .” – IF the historical FACT was revealed to you that King James was a practicing homosexual all of his life?  [documentation – Antonia Fraser — “King James VI of Scotland, I of England” Knopf Publ./1975/pgs. 36-37, 123 || Caroline Bingham — “The Making of a King” Doubleday Publ./1969/pgs. 128-129, 197-198 || Otto J. Scott — “James I” Mason-Charter Publ./1976/pgs. 108, 111, 120, 194, 200, 224, 311, 353, 382 || David H. Wilson — “King James VI & I” Oxford Publ./1956/pgs. 36, 99-101, 336-337, 383-386, 395 || plus several encyclopedias]

 

      1. King James was not a homosexual.  This is the claim of Anthony Weldon and was written 25 years after his death.  I claim that Anthony Weldon was a Sodomite.  Who cares what I claim and who cares what Weldon claims?  There is no proof, so I accept the clear record of history that King James was NOT a sodomite and was a loving husband to his wife.

 

  • Would you contend that the KJV translator, Richard Thomson, who worked on Genesis-Kings in the Westminster group, was “led by God in translating” even though he was an alcoholic that “drank his fill daily” throughout the work?  [Gustavus S. Paine — “The Men Behind the KJV” Baker Book House/1979/pgs. 40, 69]

 

      1. Yes, sinlessness is not a requirement to doing something for God. (Rom 11:29)  Peter struggled his whole life to accept God’s dealings with Gentiles.  David was an adulterer and murderer.  Both were used of God to write scripture.

 

  • Is it possible that the rendition “gay clothing,” in the KJV at James 2: 3, could give the wrong impression to the modern-English KJV reader?

 

      1. Yes.  But anyone who reads the King James knows that it isn’t “gay friendly”.  This is no reason to read an NIV instead.  Also, most people in 2015 know that the word “gay” used to mean “happy or nice or showy”.  

 

  • Did dead people “wake up” in the morning according to Isaiah 37:36 in the KJV?

 

      1. No, it is clear in the context that not everyone in the camp died.  The ones who didn’t die woke up.

 

  • Was “Baptist” John’s last name according to Matthew 14: 8 and Luke 7:20 in the KJV?

 

      1. No.

 

  • Is 2 Corinthians 6:11-13 in the KJV understood or make any sense to the modern-English KJV reader? – “O ye Corinthians, our mouth is open unto you, our heart is enlarged.  Ye are not straitened in us, but ye are straitened in your own bowels.  Now for a recompense in the same, (I speak as unto my children,) be ye also enlarged.”  As clearly understood from the New International Version [NIV] – “We have spoken freely to you, Corinthians, and opened wide our hearts to you.  We are not withholding our affection from you, but you are withholding yours from us.  As a fair exchange – I speak as to my children – open wide your hearts also.”

 

      1. It makes some sense to me.  Which Bible is clearer is not the only factor to consider in the issue at hand. Job 6:6 in the RSV refers to the “slime of the purslane” but the KJV refers to the “white of an egg.”  The KJV is clearly easier to understand.  Just because the RSV is hard to understand doesn’t necessarily mean that the RSV is to be rejected.  There are many other reasons to reject the RSV.  

 

  • Does the singular “oath’s,” occurring in every KJV at Matthew 14: 9 and Mark 6:26, “correct” every Textus Receptus Greek which has the plural (“oaths”) by the post-1611 publishers, misplacing the apostrophe?

 

      1. Yes.  I don’t know what the big deal is.  There are errors in the TR and there are no errors in the KJV.

 

  • Did Jesus teach a way for men to be “worshiped” according to Luke 14:10 in the KJV, contradicting the first commandment and what He said in Luke 4: 8?  [Remember – you may not go the Greek for any “light” if you are a KJV-Onlyite!]

 

      1. Yes.  I Chron 29:20 shows that a man can get worship if he’s standing close to God when God is worshipped.  It’s a strange doctrine, but that’s what the text says.  Rev 3:9 figures into the equation also.  

 

  • Is the Holy Spirit an “it” according to John 1:32; Romans 8:16, 26; and 1 Peter 1:11 in the KJV?  [Again – you may not go the Greek for any “light” if you are a KJV-Onlyite!]

 

      1. Yes.  The pronoun for the Holy Spirit can be masculine or neuter.

 

  • Does Luke 23:56 support a “Friday” crucifixion in the KJV?    [No “day” here in Greek]

 

      1. No.  They rested on the Sabbath of Passover.  Not regular Saturday.

 

  • Did Jesus command for a girl to be given “meat” to eat according to Luke 8:55 in the KJV? [or, “of them that sit at meat with thee.” at Luke 14:10]

 

      1. Yes.  I don’t understand the reason for the question.  It clearly says meat.

 

  • Was Charles Haddon Spurgeon a “Bible-corrector” for saying that Romans 8:24 should be rendered “saved in hope,” instead of the KJV’s “saved by hope”?  [Metropolitan Tabernacle Pulpit, Vol 27, 1881, page 485 – see more Spurgeon KJV comments in What is “KJV-Onlyism?”, his & many others’ views in the article, “Quotes on Bible Translations.”]

 

      1. Yes.  Great men are not always wise.

 

  • Was J. Frank Norris a “Bible-corrector” for saying that the correct rendering of John 3:5 should be “born of water and the Spirit,” and for saying that “repent and turn” in Acts 26:20 should be “repent, even turn”?  [Norris-Wallace Debate, 1934, pgs. 108, 116] Also, is Norman Pickering an “Alexandrian Apostate” for stating, “The nature of language does not permit a ‘perfect’ translation – the semantic area of words differs between languages so that there is seldom complete overlap.  A ‘perfect’ translation of John 3:16 from Greek into English is impossible, for we have no perfect equivalent for “agapao” [translated “loved” in John. 3:16].”?

 

      1. Yes.  On that point they are Bible correctors.

 

  • Was R. A. Torrey “lying” when he said the following in 1907 – “No one, so far as I know, holds that the English translation of the Bible is absolutely infallible and inerrant.  The doctrine held by many is that the Scriptures as originally given were absolutely infallible and inerrant, and that our English translation is a substantially accurate rendering of the Scriptures as originally given”?  [Difficulties in the Bible, page 17]

 

      1. Yes.  All men are liars.

 

  • Is Don Edwards correct in agreeing “in favor of canonizing our KJV,” thus replacing the inspired canon in Hebrew and Greek?  [The Flaming Torch, June 1989, page 6]

 

      1. It’s not a good way to describe it, but yes.

 

  • Did God supernaturally “move His Word from the original languages to English” in 1611 as affirmed by The Flaming Torch?  [same page above]

 

    1. It’s a strange way to put it, but yes.